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	<title>Comments on: YearlyKos: What I Saw at the Revolution</title>
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	<description>Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal.</description>
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		<title>By: Brazenly Liberal &#187; Book burning, hate crimes, taking a stand, and going home.</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2006/06/12/what-i-saw-at-the-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Brazenly Liberal &#187; Book burning, hate crimes, taking a stand, and going home.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few days ago, Terance wrote a thoughtful and thought provoking blog on his experience at YearlyKos. Quoting the meaningful, relevant bits would mean reproducing the entire thing (bad blog etiquette, eh?), so let&#8217;s go with this : &#8230;just getting Democrats elected is not sufficient. Certainly not if their going to put their constituents and the convictions in the closet in order to win. A party that believes it has to put its own values on the back burner in order to win must not believe that it can and should win based on its values. It becomes something else entirely, and will find it hard to go back if the trick should work&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A few days ago, Terance wrote a thoughtful and thought provoking blog on his experience at YearlyKos. Quoting the meaningful, relevant bits would mean reproducing the entire thing (bad blog etiquette, eh?), so let&#8217;s go with this : &#8230;just getting Democrats elected is not sufficient. Certainly not if their going to put their constituents and the convictions in the closet in order to win. A party that believes it has to put its own values on the back burner in order to win must not believe that it can and should win based on its values. It becomes something else entirely, and will find it hard to go back if the trick should work&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2006/06/12/what-i-saw-at-the-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t blame you for feeling frustrated; there&#039;s nothing worse than being sniped at by your own side.  I find Kos&#039; stance on this, and other issues, disturbing, and I think that abandoning our principles is about the worst thing we could do to win elections.

Lorin11 is right that mid-level bloggers can affect the wider discourse; and also that you should keep fighting for what you believe in if you want to be an agent of change.  

Good luck.  You do inspire others with your well-written words, and that is no small thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t blame you for feeling frustrated; there&#8217;s nothing worse than being sniped at by your own side.  I find Kos&#8217; stance on this, and other issues, disturbing, and I think that abandoning our principles is about the worst thing we could do to win elections.</p>
<p>Lorin11 is right that mid-level bloggers can affect the wider discourse; and also that you should keep fighting for what you believe in if you want to be an agent of change.  </p>
<p>Good luck.  You do inspire others with your well-written words, and that is no small thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Log Cabin Republicans withheld endorsement from Bush in 2004.  Compare that with HRC and Clinton in 1996.  

My question is why should gays who disagree with much on the &quot;progressive agenda&quot; vote for Democrats?  Seems like limited government gays (and there&#039;s a large number of gays who are not enamored with big government) have no reason to vote or contribute to Democrats.  

Gay organizations should most certainly support inclusive republicans, and publicly denounce anti-gay democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Log Cabin Republicans withheld endorsement from Bush in 2004.  Compare that with HRC and Clinton in 1996.  </p>
<p>My question is why should gays who disagree with much on the &#8220;progressive agenda&#8221; vote for Democrats?  Seems like limited government gays (and there&#8217;s a large number of gays who are not enamored with big government) have no reason to vote or contribute to Democrats.  </p>
<p>Gay organizations should most certainly support inclusive republicans, and publicly denounce anti-gay democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorin11</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorin11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrance:  I understand your frustration, and urge you to take that energy as you have suggested, and raise the voice of the LGBT community.  I will do my part to spread the words you gather hear.

And don&#039;t forget that one of the consequences of being a &quot;mid-level&quot; blogger is that you are on the radar of several of the larger bloggers.  Your voice is being heard.  And I would give you a slightly different framework to consider using in &quot;speaking&quot; to them.  &quot;If you want to be a winner, act like a winner.&quot;  Winners don&#039;t care what other people think about them, they simply take what they believe, and lead others to follow them.  (I phrased that last sentence in a way that makes clear that the current cabal in power are not winners, just manipulators and users.)  If we want to win, we can&#039;t be cowards; people are turned off by cowards.

Frederick Douglass said it best, in his last public appearance in 1895, at a women&#039;s rights convention: &quot;Agitate, agitate, agitate!&quot;.  The marginalization of the LGBT community is a civil rights issue, and when it has been successfully framed as such, as in the Hester case, there is progress.  But we are dealing with the inherent human tendency to seek out &quot;others&quot; to hate and mistrust.  It will take time to move the community forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrance:  I understand your frustration, and urge you to take that energy as you have suggested, and raise the voice of the LGBT community.  I will do my part to spread the words you gather hear.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget that one of the consequences of being a &#8220;mid-level&#8221; blogger is that you are on the radar of several of the larger bloggers.  Your voice is being heard.  And I would give you a slightly different framework to consider using in &#8220;speaking&#8221; to them.  &#8220;If you want to be a winner, act like a winner.&#8221;  Winners don&#8217;t care what other people think about them, they simply take what they believe, and lead others to follow them.  (I phrased that last sentence in a way that makes clear that the current cabal in power are not winners, just manipulators and users.)  If we want to win, we can&#8217;t be cowards; people are turned off by cowards.</p>
<p>Frederick Douglass said it best, in his last public appearance in 1895, at a women&#8217;s rights convention: &#8220;Agitate, agitate, agitate!&#8221;.  The marginalization of the LGBT community is a civil rights issue, and when it has been successfully framed as such, as in the Hester case, there is progress.  But we are dealing with the inherent human tendency to seek out &#8220;others&#8221; to hate and mistrust.  It will take time to move the community forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrance,

I was in the Religion Roundtable and heard you loud and clear on your experience of religion as a gay man.  I don&#039;t have an answer as far as how progressives talk about LGBT issues; progressives tend to be a little to the right of me :-)  But I wanted to let you know at least one straight white female heard you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrance,</p>
<p>I was in the Religion Roundtable and heard you loud and clear on your experience of religion as a gay man.  I don&#8217;t have an answer as far as how progressives talk about LGBT issues; progressives tend to be a little to the right of me <img src='http://www.republicoft.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   But I wanted to let you know at least one straight white female heard you.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah Sifry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah Sifry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrence--

Sorry we didn&#039;t cross paths at YK; I would have liked to meet you.

I agree there&#039;s a lot of people in the so-called &quot;net-roots&quot; (mostly white men, hmmm), who want to operate in a fairly instrumental manner, that is, do what it takes to win, not necessarily what is right. But what makes me optimistic, still, is that the blogosphere is a lot bigger than what was on display this past weekend in Vegas and much more open to the kind of pushing you are doing than just about every other system I can think of.

So have heart, and keep on keepin on!

Micah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrence&#8211;</p>
<p>Sorry we didn&#8217;t cross paths at YK; I would have liked to meet you.</p>
<p>I agree there&#8217;s a lot of people in the so-called &#8220;net-roots&#8221; (mostly white men, hmmm), who want to operate in a fairly instrumental manner, that is, do what it takes to win, not necessarily what is right. But what makes me optimistic, still, is that the blogosphere is a lot bigger than what was on display this past weekend in Vegas and much more open to the kind of pushing you are doing than just about every other system I can think of.</p>
<p>So have heart, and keep on keepin on!</p>
<p>Micah</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democratic party is doing to gays and lesbians what it has done for so long to Blacks. We are taken for granted because it is assumed that since Republicans treat us even worse, we will always be Democrats. 

There is no two party system in America..just one big one with left(dem) and right (gop) wings. 

We need another answer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democratic party is doing to gays and lesbians what it has done for so long to Blacks. We are taken for granted because it is assumed that since Republicans treat us even worse, we will always be Democrats. </p>
<p>There is no two party system in America..just one big one with left(dem) and right (gop) wings. </p>
<p>We need another answer</p>
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