Comments on: Blogging While Brown, Cont’d http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/ Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal. Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:27:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: African American ~ Black ~ Opinion Blog » Blogging While Brown, Part III http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-68010 African American ~ Black ~ Opinion Blog » Blogging While Brown, Part III Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:55:45 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-68010 [...] But it does mean dipping a toe back into the waters of the debate around blogs and diversity. And even though I’ve written about blogging while brown before, I was a little reluctant to do so again. The last time I “went there,” the water turned out to be hotter than I expected. It only got hotter, and several people ended up getting a little scalded. In the end I wanted nothing more than to get out of the debate. But some debates you can’t escape, particularly when the have their roots in a larger one. Turns out, I didn’t so much dip a toe into that water as I was born into it, and just wandered into the middle of a “hot spot.” More > [...] [...] But it does mean dipping a toe back into the waters of the debate around blogs and diversity. And even though I’ve written about blogging while brown before, I was a little reluctant to do so again. The last time I “went there,” the water turned out to be hotter than I expected. It only got hotter, and several people ended up getting a little scalded. In the end I wanted nothing more than to get out of the debate. But some debates you can’t escape, particularly when the have their roots in a larger one. Turns out, I didn’t so much dip a toe into that water as I was born into it, and just wandered into the middle of a “hot spot.” More > [...]

]]> By: FDL’s Trex is at it again. « Dark Sun http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-15489 FDL’s Trex is at it again. « Dark Sun Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:58:51 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-15489 [...] More on FDL racism here, here, here and here. [...] [...] More on FDL racism here, here, here and here. [...]

]]> By: Jane Hamsher: The Left’s Answer to Ann Coulter? « Dark Sun http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-7206 Jane Hamsher: The Left’s Answer to Ann Coulter? « Dark Sun Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:38:02 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-7206 [...] The Republic of T: Blogging While Brown, Cont’d and Blogs, Diversity & Moving Forward and One More Blogging & Diversity Post. [...] [...] The Republic of T: Blogging While Brown, Cont’d and Blogs, Diversity & Moving Forward and One More Blogging & Diversity Post. [...]

]]> By: bellatrys http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6560 bellatrys Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:07:58 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6560 Sonya, you'd think that someone who belongs to a really small minority would think twice about alienating allies and telling them that their problems aren't equal - or, explicitly, that a white gay bourgeois guy would hesitate before telling the non-white, non-male blogosphere to go to hell. The Venn diagram is not in his favor, and if he thinks that the help of people who *aren't like him* is unnecessary for *his* equal right struggle, then he might as well have stayed a Log Cabiner for all the "reality-based"-ness that he's achieved. --I think we're also seeing something of what there was a post about on Alas, A Blog a whileback, something about how not to go insane when someone points out that you're being racist - I mean, we're seeing the going-insane part. (Personally, I wouldn't *be* a white liberal feminist the way that I am if it weren't for the consciousness-raising effect of having read a bunch black film/tv critics, in no small part, and the permission to question the assumptions and base-level portrayals of The Way The World Is from them...and why I had to be content with the crumbs and the second-class citizenship, anyway? Why I should be embarrassed and self-deprecatory and effacing and ignoring of slights to me as a woman, any more than blacks or Asians or Latinos *ought* to pretend it was All Okay. You can't *grow* without being made uncomfortable, in body *or* mind.) Sonya, you’d think that someone who belongs to a really small minority would think twice about alienating allies and telling them that their problems aren’t equal - or, explicitly, that a white gay bourgeois guy would hesitate before telling the non-white, non-male blogosphere to go to hell. The Venn diagram is not in his favor, and if he thinks that the help of people who *aren’t like him* is unnecessary for *his* equal right struggle, then he might as well have stayed a Log Cabiner for all the “reality-based”-ness that he’s achieved.

–I think we’re also seeing something of what there was a post about on Alas, A Blog a whileback, something about how not to go insane when someone points out that you’re being racist - I mean, we’re seeing the going-insane part. (Personally, I wouldn’t *be* a white liberal feminist the way that I am if it weren’t for the consciousness-raising effect of having read a bunch black film/tv critics, in no small part, and the permission to question the assumptions and base-level portrayals of The Way The World Is from them…and why I had to be content with the crumbs and the second-class citizenship, anyway? Why I should be embarrassed and self-deprecatory and effacing and ignoring of slights to me as a woman, any more than blacks or Asians or Latinos *ought* to pretend it was All Okay. You can’t *grow* without being made uncomfortable, in body *or* mind.)

]]> By: queeragui http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6551 queeragui Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:03:04 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6551 I gave much more than my two cents worth; it was more like 12 cents worth. I'm sorry for all the mess this has caused. I had a feeling that my words would be taken the wrong way. ('Must remember to be clear-headed before posting anything about race/ethnic relations). I was talking (typing) off the top of my head... And I was going to ask Terrance to delete some of the comments. I do sound racist... I am to a point. I believe that most people are in the United States. We grow up with racial constructs in our minds and label each other according to these racial constructs (e.g. la raza, whites, blacks, yellow people, etc.). You hear it in our discourse all the time--our daily discourse. (Everyone's pulling out the race card!) In reality, there is just one human race. Science has yet to prove that there are 4 races... What can I say without writing an entire paper?? I'll just update my paper and publish it as soon as possible, grammatical errors and all. Maybe then, you'll understand what I mean by "racial constructs", "ideal types", and the "institution of whiteness". I'll publish it on my blog--a blog--as soon as possible. I'm sorry that my words offended some progressive bloggers and of the sordid discussions that resulted... I played a role in it. C. Aguilar I gave much more than my two cents worth; it was more like 12 cents worth. I’m sorry for all the mess this has caused. I had a feeling that my words would be taken the wrong way. (’Must remember to be clear-headed before posting anything about race/ethnic relations). I was talking (typing) off the top of my head… And I was going to ask Terrance to delete some of the comments.

I do sound racist… I am to a point. I believe that most people are in the United States. We grow up with racial constructs in our minds and label each other according to these racial constructs (e.g. la raza, whites, blacks, yellow people, etc.). You hear it in our discourse all the time–our daily discourse. (Everyone’s pulling out the race card!) In reality, there is just one human race. Science has yet to prove that there are 4 races…

What can I say without writing an entire paper?? I’ll just update my paper and publish it as soon as possible, grammatical errors and all. Maybe then, you’ll understand what I mean by “racial constructs”, “ideal types”, and the “institution of whiteness”. I’ll publish it on my blog–a blog–as soon as possible.

I’m sorry that my words offended some progressive bloggers and of the sordid discussions that resulted… I played a role in it.

C. Aguilar

]]> By: liza http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6469 liza Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:10:50 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6469 Terrance, Just to be on the record here, I wish I had the restraint and level headedness you have shown. Thanks so much. Now, about that comment you left at CK asking if it wasn't time for us to do things separately, talk to me! I'm all ears. Terrance,

Just to be on the record here, I wish I had the restraint and level headedness you have shown. Thanks so much.

Now, about that comment you left at CK asking if it wasn’t time for us to do things separately, talk to me! I’m all ears.

]]> By: liza http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6467 liza Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:08:19 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6467 Well Sonya and all, You're more than welcomed to come to culturekitchen. You can post articles, open a forums, organize events. Just knock yourself out. Well Sonya and all,

You’re more than welcomed to come to culturekitchen. You can post articles, open a forums, organize events. Just knock yourself out.

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Bill Clinton Lunches With Whites. Also, Firedoglake sucks. http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6423 Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Bill Clinton Lunches With Whites. Also, Firedoglake sucks. Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:31:04 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6423 [...] I’m sure there will be a greater effort next time - but only because Liza, Kai, Bint, Zuzu, Terrance, Steve, Pam, Chris, and others are objecting to the lack of inclusion this time around. It is the complainers, not the folks who organize these lunches and other such events, who will make inclusion happen. [...] [...] I’m sure there will be a greater effort next time - but only because Liza, Kai, Bint, Zuzu, Terrance, Steve, Pam, Chris, and others are objecting to the lack of inclusion this time around. It is the complainers, not the folks who organize these lunches and other such events, who will make inclusion happen. [...]

]]> By: Bill Clinton Lunches With Whites. Also, Firedoglake sucks. « Creative Destruction http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6421 Bill Clinton Lunches With Whites. Also, Firedoglake sucks. « Creative Destruction Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:27:09 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6421 [...] I’m sure there will be a greater effort next time - but only because Liza, Kai, Bint, Zuzu, Terrance, Steve, Pam, Chris, and others are objecting to the lack of inclusion this time around. It is the complainers, not the folks who organize these lunches and other such events, who will make inclusion happen. [...] [...] I’m sure there will be a greater effort next time - but only because Liza, Kai, Bint, Zuzu, Terrance, Steve, Pam, Chris, and others are objecting to the lack of inclusion this time around. It is the complainers, not the folks who organize these lunches and other such events, who will make inclusion happen. [...]

]]> By: thebrotherlove.com http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6415 thebrotherlove.com Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:42:21 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/15/blogging-while-brown-contd/#comment-6415 <strong>Progressive Political Blogger Fallout...</strong> Woo, woo, woo... Progressive Political Blogger Fallout…

Woo, woo, woo…

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