Comments on: Framing Foley http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/ Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal. Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:07:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Radio Left http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8216 Radio Left Mon, 09 Oct 2006 05:15:13 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8216 <strong>AZ-08: It's a small world after all...</strong> The Blue State A retiring Republican reveals something about the Foley scandal that contradicts Hastert's public statements last week.  Fittingly, this Republican's vacated seat might turn out to decide whether the Democrats can take back majo... AZ-08: It’s a small world after all…

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A retiring Republican reveals something about the Foley scandal that contradicts Hastert’s public statements last week.  Fittingly, this Republican’s vacated seat might turn out to decide whether the Democrats can take back majo…

]]> By: Chuck http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8141 Chuck Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:47:57 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8141 being gay is all about being white young and hairless...foley just was not thinking when he acted on it........ being gay is all about being white young and hairless…foley just was not thinking when he acted on it……..

]]> By: Chuck http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8140 Chuck Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:43:35 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8140 sorry about my spelling i am new to all this and did not know it would be printed sorry about my spelling i am new to all this and did not know it would be printed

]]> By: Chuck http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8138 Chuck Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:36:02 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-8138 so glad i found your blog. i am not black but i am old and gay. i say that because it semms you are cool enought to be black and gay is like being old and gay. I love your take and i hope david drier is brought down too. There is no excuse for being closeted and gay...you just grow to hate yourself and you do stupid things. so glad i found your blog. i am not black but i am old and gay. i say that because it semms you are cool enought to be black and gay is like being old and gay. I love your take and i hope david drier is brought down too. There is no excuse for being closeted and gay…you just grow to hate yourself and you do stupid things.

]]> By: Mike http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7895 Mike Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:44:50 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7895 You are so naive. You are so naive.

]]> By: Mad Professah http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7736 Mad Professah Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:11:49 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7736 Very impressive piece, Terrance, especially produced so quickly. Very impressive piece, Terrance, especially produced so quickly.

]]> By: GoGodless http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7726 GoGodless Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:00:44 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7726 Actually sexual harassment may be applicable here, since the law says the claimant only has to believe that the alleged harasser has supervisory control (is "a boss"), even if that person is not actually his/her supervisor. There is also responsibility if the claimant reports it up the chain and those persons do not open an official investigation... doesn't sound like this was done...normally a written finding is produced (which would be subpoenable). It appears as if the law that might have been violated is the new federal one that Foley chaired through committee...the DC laws on age of consent (16) would be overriden by the new Foley federal "Adam Walsh" law for internet predators (since this internet behavior often takes place across state lines & in multiple jurisdictions - the wider federal protection would apply). The irony is if he hadn't sent emails & IMs and just had sex the old fashioned way, he wouldn't have any legal exposure - because then the DC age of consent laws would have applied. Actually sexual harassment may be applicable here, since the law says the claimant only has to believe that the alleged harasser has supervisory control (is “a boss”), even if that person is not actually his/her supervisor. There is also responsibility if the claimant reports it up the chain and those persons do not open an official investigation… doesn’t sound like this was done…normally a written finding is produced (which would be subpoenable).

It appears as if the law that might have been violated is the new federal one that Foley chaired through committee…the DC laws on age of consent (16) would be overriden by the new Foley federal “Adam Walsh” law for internet predators (since this internet behavior often takes place across state lines & in multiple jurisdictions - the wider federal protection would apply). The irony is if he hadn’t sent emails & IMs and just had sex the old fashioned way, he wouldn’t have any legal exposure - because then the DC age of consent laws would have applied.

]]> By: Occasional Expositor http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7706 Occasional Expositor Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:28:38 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7706 Whilst understanding that part of the reason that other members of the GOP are jumping on board the scandalwagon is that they are slavering at the chance to denounce gay people as perverts and child molesters, I cannot support the idea that the reason Foley targeted teenage pages is because he was closeted. He *chose* to be part of a political party openly hostile to lesbians and gays. He *chose* to be closeted. He *chose* to target teenagers over whom he had some measure of power. He's just as much a child abuser as a 52 year old man who targets female children. Just because the age of consent for girls is 14 or 16 doesn't make it OK to target them either. Add into it that he's a congressman and the targets were congressional aides. No excuses. Rehab my ass. Whilst understanding that part of the reason that other members of the GOP are jumping on board the scandalwagon is that they are slavering at the chance to denounce gay people as perverts and child molesters, I cannot support the idea that the reason Foley targeted teenage pages is because he was closeted.

He *chose* to be part of a political party openly hostile to lesbians and gays. He *chose* to be closeted. He *chose* to target teenagers over whom he had some measure of power.

He’s just as much a child abuser as a 52 year old man who targets female children. Just because the age of consent for girls is 14 or 16 doesn’t make it OK to target them either. Add into it that he’s a congressman and the targets were congressional aides.

No excuses.

Rehab my ass.

]]> By: janus http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7699 janus Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:07:02 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7699 Teenagers are not children. The law says as much in almost all countries where age of consent is typically 14-16. The indidividual states as well have lower ages of consent than the federal govt uses to define a “minor” for internet/telephone contact. Even in DC, age of consent is 16. In fact Foley did not commit a crime, because the age of consent in the jurisdiction is 16. Federal solicitation charges depend on the laws of the jurisdiction. There's no indication that he offered to pay for sex. Sexual harassment is also an unlikely charge because the page in question was not in his emply. Teenagers are not children. The law says as much in almost all countries where age of consent is typically 14-16. The indidividual states as well have lower ages of consent than the federal govt uses to define a “minor” for internet/telephone contact. Even in DC, age of consent is 16.

In fact Foley did not commit a crime, because the age of consent in the jurisdiction is 16. Federal solicitation charges depend on the laws of the jurisdiction. There’s no indication that he offered to pay for sex. Sexual harassment is also an unlikely charge because the page in question was not in his emply.

]]> By: Sam http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7681 Sam Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:25:16 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/02/framing-foley/#comment-7681 Counterpunch had an essay over the weekend on the subject, "<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/tripp09302006.html" rel="nofollow">The Socially Conservative Male: An Analysis</a>". Counterpunch had an essay over the weekend on the subject, “The Socially Conservative Male: An Analysis“.

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