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		<title>By: Lauren S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh snap, I can&#039;t believe this is happening at my alma mater.  Oh sweet, progressive Montgomery Blair.  I&#039;m sure most of the good people of Montgomery County won&#039;t abide by this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh snap, I can&#8217;t believe this is happening at my alma mater.  Oh sweet, progressive Montgomery Blair.  I&#8217;m sure most of the good people of Montgomery County won&#8217;t abide by this.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2006/11/15/a-few-words-for-pfox/comment-page-1/#comment-15986</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to tell you that jumping down the school boards throat with a lawsuit is the thing to do, but unfortunately I can&#039;t.

Our freedom to express ourselves as gay is protected by the Constitution ONLY because these nut cases are equally protected to openly hate us. That does not mean they have room to bash, harass, or defame us, but it does mean that they are afforded an equal right to speak their minds.

I think Dale&#039;s got it right. The best way to oppose ignorance is through education. If you don&#039;t like what these people are saying, you have to tell them why before you can shut them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to tell you that jumping down the school boards throat with a lawsuit is the thing to do, but unfortunately I can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Our freedom to express ourselves as gay is protected by the Constitution ONLY because these nut cases are equally protected to openly hate us. That does not mean they have room to bash, harass, or defame us, but it does mean that they are afforded an equal right to speak their minds.</p>
<p>I think Dale&#8217;s got it right. The best way to oppose ignorance is through education. If you don&#8217;t like what these people are saying, you have to tell them why before you can shut them up.</p>
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		<title>By: queah</title>
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		<dc:creator>queah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go T! 

&quot;The philosophy behind groups like PFOX is simple: if gay people don’t want to be harassed or discriminated against, they should change.&quot;

That is precisely the concept of PFOX operations.

Steve, no gay person is asking you to be gay, hon, so stop &quot;pushing your sexual behavior&quot; here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go T! </p>
<p>&#8220;The philosophy behind groups like PFOX is simple: if gay people don’t want to be harassed or discriminated against, they should change.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is precisely the concept of PFOX operations.</p>
<p>Steve, no gay person is asking you to be gay, hon, so stop &#8220;pushing your sexual behavior&#8221; here.</p>
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		<title>By: Wobbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wobbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you&#039;re a nitwit. David Parker flipped out because his kid was exposed to a book that contained images of all different families. Do you have any idea how many kids of gay parents there are in the Lexington schools? Quite a few. What would you like the school to send home, a book that says yes, your neighbor has two mommies, but they&#039;re evil and sinful and headed for hell? You can see why that wouldn&#039;t go over too well. David Parker can teach his kids to hate, but the school is not going to encourage it. They want to provide a safe environment for all children, go figure, not try and goad them into attacking each other. The book also had images of interracial families, should the school send out some Klan flyers to provide balance on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you&#8217;re a nitwit. David Parker flipped out because his kid was exposed to a book that contained images of all different families. Do you have any idea how many kids of gay parents there are in the Lexington schools? Quite a few. What would you like the school to send home, a book that says yes, your neighbor has two mommies, but they&#8217;re evil and sinful and headed for hell? You can see why that wouldn&#8217;t go over too well. David Parker can teach his kids to hate, but the school is not going to encourage it. They want to provide a safe environment for all children, go figure, not try and goad them into attacking each other. The book also had images of interracial families, should the school send out some Klan flyers to provide balance on that?</p>
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		<title>By: terrance</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2006/11/15/a-few-words-for-pfox/comment-page-1/#comment-14029</link>
		<dc:creator>terrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing. I&#039;d be opposed to any literature being handed out by a group that promoted prejudice and discrimination a another group of people, and that&#039;s exactly what PFOX does. 

They are a religious organization with direct ties to James Dobson&#039;s group Focus on the Family. The promote &quot;reparative therapy&quot; as a means to change sexual orientation, though it doesn&#039;t work, is denounced by every organization of medical and mental health professionals as both unethical and dangerous. Even a number of &quot;ex-gay&quot; groups are now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/11/good-as-you-we-rant-because-fallacy-makes-us-angry/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abandoning the idea that they can change someone&#039;s sexual orientation&lt;/a&gt;. 

The philosophy behind groups like PFOX is simple: if gay people don&#039;t want to be harassed or discriminated against, they should change. It follows that if they &lt;em&gt;refuse&lt;/em&gt; to change then they should expect to be harassed and discriminated against, and prohibiting harassment and discrimination against them only &lt;em&gt;encourages&lt;/em&gt; them not to change. So they also seek to ensure that gays &amp; lesbians are harassed and discriminated against. 

That adds up to hell for gay &amp; lesbian youth, and suicide for some.

PFOX shouldn&#039;t be distributing literature in our schools any more than the Klan or  holocaust deniers should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing. I&#8217;d be opposed to any literature being handed out by a group that promoted prejudice and discrimination a another group of people, and that&#8217;s exactly what PFOX does. </p>
<p>They are a religious organization with direct ties to James Dobson&#8217;s group Focus on the Family. The promote &#8220;reparative therapy&#8221; as a means to change sexual orientation, though it doesn&#8217;t work, is denounced by every organization of medical and mental health professionals as both unethical and dangerous. Even a number of &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; groups are now <a href="http://www.republicoft.com/2006/10/11/good-as-you-we-rant-because-fallacy-makes-us-angry/" rel="nofollow">abandoning the idea that they can change someone&#8217;s sexual orientation</a>. </p>
<p>The philosophy behind groups like PFOX is simple: if gay people don&#8217;t want to be harassed or discriminated against, they should change. It follows that if they <em>refuse</em> to change then they should expect to be harassed and discriminated against, and prohibiting harassment and discrimination against them only <em>encourages</em> them not to change. So they also seek to ensure that gays &#038; lesbians are harassed and discriminated against. </p>
<p>That adds up to hell for gay &#038; lesbian youth, and suicide for some.</p>
<p>PFOX shouldn&#8217;t be distributing literature in our schools any more than the Klan or  holocaust deniers should.</p>
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		<title>By: Sr. Mary Hasta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sr. Mary Hasta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, honey, if it ain&#039;t a school- or government-sponsored group, by federal law they ain&#039;t allowed to mandate literature distribution to students (and even then there are opt-outs, such as the one for military recruitment). 

Therefore, the school has misstepped badly and should be spanked (says the professional educator).

I don&#039;t care if the literature is about how horrible it is to kick puppies, if it ain&#039;t approved by my administration and vetted by myself to be appropriate and useful, I&#039;m not handing it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, honey, if it ain&#8217;t a school- or government-sponsored group, by federal law they ain&#8217;t allowed to mandate literature distribution to students (and even then there are opt-outs, such as the one for military recruitment). </p>
<p>Therefore, the school has misstepped badly and should be spanked (says the professional educator).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if the literature is about how horrible it is to kick puppies, if it ain&#8217;t approved by my administration and vetted by myself to be appropriate and useful, I&#8217;m not handing it out.</p>
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		<title>By: milbank</title>
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		<dc:creator>milbank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Forced to&quot;??

Puuuleeeeeze!

There&#039;s definitely some money to be made in a law suit by some parent on this one.  
Someone go for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Forced to&#8221;??</p>
<p>Puuuleeeeeze!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s definitely some money to be made in a law suit by some parent on this one.<br />
Someone go for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Sinha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahul Sinha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really shouldn&#039;t respond to Steve, but how is being gay and asking people to check their hate at the door &quot;pushing your sexual behaviour&quot;?

Pro-tolerance(/acceptance!) literature suggests people accept other people, and judge them less.  I&#039;m guessing Steve is Christian, so it may be worth mentioning that this is a very Gospels message.

PFOX&#039;s website makes clear, their message is that some people are so depraved that one might as well return to the Old Testament and stone them.

The two messages couldn&#039;t be more different; about all they have in common is that both can be printed on a flyer.  Schools have an interest in promoting tolerance - in a comfortable, safe environment students can learn all the things they are there to master (math, science, literature etc), while in a judgemental environment they are distracted by either judging or hiding that for which they might be judged.

Steve, your comparison might as well be between a pro-civil-rights flier and one for the Klan; not all messages are born equal.

-RS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really shouldn&#8217;t respond to Steve, but how is being gay and asking people to check their hate at the door &#8220;pushing your sexual behaviour&#8221;?</p>
<p>Pro-tolerance(/acceptance!) literature suggests people accept other people, and judge them less.  I&#8217;m guessing Steve is Christian, so it may be worth mentioning that this is a very Gospels message.</p>
<p>PFOX&#8217;s website makes clear, their message is that some people are so depraved that one might as well return to the Old Testament and stone them.</p>
<p>The two messages couldn&#8217;t be more different; about all they have in common is that both can be printed on a flyer.  Schools have an interest in promoting tolerance &#8211; in a comfortable, safe environment students can learn all the things they are there to master (math, science, literature etc), while in a judgemental environment they are distracted by either judging or hiding that for which they might be judged.</p>
<p>Steve, your comparison might as well be between a pro-civil-rights flier and one for the Klan; not all messages are born equal.</p>
<p>-RS</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be wrong, and I invite (polite) correction from anyone, but I don&#039;t think there is any PRO-homosexual material out there. Certainly nothing that is equivalent to the materials of PFOX. I have never in my life seen a pamphlet suggesting that anyone should become gay. Or a handy little broadside saying that Christians are bad because they dislike gays. (This has been said, but I don&#039;t think anyone has developed an teen-ager-friendly version.)

Moreover, finding something morally reprehensible is not the same thing as being personally attacked. It does not hurt me when someone disagrees with my choices or behaves in a manner I don&#039;t condone.  It does hurt me when someone says that my choices are evil and that I should be eradicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be wrong, and I invite (polite) correction from anyone, but I don&#8217;t think there is any PRO-homosexual material out there. Certainly nothing that is equivalent to the materials of PFOX. I have never in my life seen a pamphlet suggesting that anyone should become gay. Or a handy little broadside saying that Christians are bad because they dislike gays. (This has been said, but I don&#8217;t think anyone has developed an teen-ager-friendly version.)</p>
<p>Moreover, finding something morally reprehensible is not the same thing as being personally attacked. It does not hurt me when someone disagrees with my choices or behaves in a manner I don&#8217;t condone.  It does hurt me when someone says that my choices are evil and that I should be eradicated.</p>
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		<title>By: ChgoRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChgoRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go get &#039;em is right.  In the school where I attended 4-6 grades, the Gideons would show up every year to hand out bibles in the classrooms.  

Yes--during class.

When my dad found out, he was LIVID.  The school was astonished--before him, no parent had ever complained.  But the next year, no Gideons.  And he was just one guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go get &#8216;em is right.  In the school where I attended 4-6 grades, the Gideons would show up every year to hand out bibles in the classrooms.  </p>
<p>Yes&#8211;during class.</p>
<p>When my dad found out, he was LIVID.  The school was astonished&#8211;before him, no parent had ever complained.  But the next year, no Gideons.  And he was just one guy.</p>
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