Comments on: Loner? Yes. Troubled? No. http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/ Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:47:01 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nanette http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/comment-page-1/#comment-83869 Nanette Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:54:45 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/#comment-83869 Well, done. I was thinking about this the other day, with all the "loner" stuff. I remember when this article came out, I sent it around to a few people who simply did not understand the need for aloneness (which is far different from loneliness) and quiet time and just... well, withdrawal from everyone, for a time. I've always been a quiet loner type, with short bursts of lots of social interaction (from which, yes, I need time to recover from, even online!), and would probably be quite happy living as a hermit of some sort (as long as there was room service). This young man tho, from the little I've read of him, sounds less an introverted loner type than a lonely, friendless type, for whatever reason. Avoiding people because of distrust, anger and grief (and illness) as opposed to natural inclination. He sounds as if he hated being alone, but insisted on being alone because he felt that people hated him or something. If that makes any sense. Well, done. I was thinking about this the other day, with all the “loner” stuff.

I remember when this article came out, I sent it around to a few people who simply did not understand the need for aloneness (which is far different from loneliness) and quiet time and just… well, withdrawal from everyone, for a time.

I’ve always been a quiet loner type, with short bursts of lots of social interaction (from which, yes, I need time to recover from, even online!), and would probably be quite happy living as a hermit of some sort (as long as there was room service).

This young man tho, from the little I’ve read of him, sounds less an introverted loner type than a lonely, friendless type, for whatever reason. Avoiding people because of distrust, anger and grief (and illness) as opposed to natural inclination. He sounds as if he hated being alone, but insisted on being alone because he felt that people hated him or something. If that makes any sense.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/comment-page-1/#comment-83546 Patrick Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:10:31 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/#comment-83546 From an untroubled INTP loner: Amen, Bravo, etc. From an untroubled INTP loner:

Amen, Bravo, etc.

]]> By: kimberley http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/comment-page-1/#comment-83057 kimberley Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:06:29 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/#comment-83057 At the risk of sounding like I'm excusing the shooter, I feel incredible compassion for him, as well as as the rest of the victims. It seems this kid was hurting in a big way for a very long time, and didn't get the help he needed. Was his mentally ill, possibly autistic? Sure. Was he ridiculed in high school? Who wasn't? Kids can be REALLY, REALLY cruel, and (of course) don't realize the damage that a few well placed mean words and gestures can do. Killing others to relieve his pain clearly wasn't the answer, but I think one of the issues that may be overlooked here is that what we do and how we act is all connected, and collectively we're all responsible for the alienation of people like this. We have to do better to reach these kids, before there are more unecessary killings. Just my thoughts. Namaste. At the risk of sounding like I’m excusing the shooter, I feel incredible compassion for him, as well as as the rest of the victims. It seems this kid was hurting in a big way for a very long time, and didn’t get the help he needed. Was his mentally ill, possibly autistic? Sure. Was he ridiculed in high school? Who wasn’t? Kids can be REALLY, REALLY cruel, and (of course) don’t realize the damage that a few well placed mean words and gestures can do. Killing others to relieve his pain clearly wasn’t the answer, but I think one of the issues that may be overlooked here is that what we do and how we act is all connected, and collectively we’re all responsible for the alienation of people like this. We have to do better to reach these kids, before there are more unecessary killings.

Just my thoughts.

Namaste.

]]> By: CharlieJ http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/comment-page-1/#comment-83037 CharlieJ Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:36:09 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/#comment-83037 Could the massacre that took place at Virgina Tech Monday morning be the result of a life-long speech impediment -- and the ridicule of classmates? Read the linked blog for evidence and my hypothesis! http://newzreviews.blogspot.com/ Could the massacre that took place at Virgina Tech Monday morning be the result of a life-long speech impediment — and the ridicule of classmates?

Read the linked blog for evidence and my hypothesis!
http://newzreviews.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Lauren S http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/comment-page-1/#comment-83028 Lauren S Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:21:43 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/#comment-83028 Thanks for this list, from a fellow INFP. I hope you blog more about this because it's nice to read something and say, Oh, I do that too! It can be hard to explain to people why I have no trouble giving a presentation, performing onstage, or speaking at functions, whereas I get anxious when small talk and social groups are involved. Thanks for this list, from a fellow INFP. I hope you blog more about this because it’s nice to read something and say, Oh, I do that too! It can be hard to explain to people why I have no trouble giving a presentation, performing onstage, or speaking at functions, whereas I get anxious when small talk and social groups are involved.

]]> By: Dave http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/comment-page-1/#comment-82999 Dave Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:37:08 +0000 http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/19/loner-yes-troubled-no/#comment-82999 From a Scientific american Article on Autism "At first glance you might not notice anything odd on meeting a young boy with autism. But if you try to talk to him, it will quickly become obvious that something is seriously wrong. He may not make eye contact with you; instead he may avoid your gaze and fidget, rock his body to and fro, or bang his head against the wall. More disconcerting, he may not be able to conduct anything remotely resembling a normal conversation. Even though he can experience emotions such as fear, rage and pleasure, he may lack genuine empathy for other people and be oblivious to subtle social cues that most children would pick up effortlessly. " Link http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000B7F38-893D-152E-88E283414B7F0000 Sound familiar? Rather than sterotyping this guy as the loner who goes crazy, maybe we should be considering that he was borderline Autistic and undiagnosed. If you read the entire article it goes on to explain the physical basis which they believe explains Autism, which is tied up with the way we learn. And before anyone launches that there must be something wrong with loners (ie all loners are autistic or whatever) consider that people who can disengage from their surroundings can also focus mentally on abstract thoughts for longer periods of time (the opposite of ADD). It should be no surprise that the withdrawal from immediate demand reality, coincides with deep abstract thought. If you have any doubt of this, I recommend Walden for light reading. Just Sayin.. From a Scientific american Article on Autism

“At first glance you might not notice anything odd on meeting a young boy with autism. But if you try to talk to him, it will quickly become obvious that something is seriously wrong. He may not make eye contact with you; instead he may avoid your gaze and fidget, rock his body to and fro, or bang his head against the wall. More disconcerting, he may not be able to conduct anything remotely resembling a normal conversation. Even though he can experience emotions such as fear, rage and pleasure, he may lack genuine empathy for other people and be oblivious to subtle social cues that most children would pick up effortlessly. ”

Link http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=000B7F38-893D-152E-88E283414B7F0000

Sound familiar? Rather than sterotyping this guy as the loner who goes crazy, maybe we should be considering that he was borderline Autistic and undiagnosed. If you read the entire article it goes on to explain the physical basis which they believe explains Autism, which is tied up with the way we learn.

And before anyone launches that there must be something wrong with loners (ie all loners are autistic or whatever) consider that people who can disengage from their surroundings can also focus mentally on abstract thoughts for longer periods of time (the opposite of ADD). It should be no surprise that the withdrawal from immediate demand reality, coincides with deep abstract thought. If you have any doubt of this, I recommend Walden for light reading.

Just Sayin..

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