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	<description>Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal.</description>
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		<title>By: terrance</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/20/how-to-create-a-school-shooter/#comment-102552</link>
		<dc:creator>terrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 00:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So why isn’t McVeigh included in these ‘Where did we go wrong’ analyses? For some reason, I haven’t seen any self-accusatory hand-wringing accounts of society’s failure regarding McVeigh.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, McVeigh wasn't a school shooter, and that's the group that I'm talking about here. 

But I haven't read any bios of McVeigh, so I didn't know that about him. If he was bullied in high school, then I'd say he probably suffered from the same kind of alienation that the young men I wrote about experienced. So, even though he manifested his in a different way, I could see him as part of the same phenomenon as them. 

But I'm not sure where this has anything to do with being liberal or conservative. I'm not aware that any of the school shooters were of one political persuasion or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So why isn’t McVeigh included in these ‘Where did we go wrong’ analyses? For some reason, I haven’t seen any self-accusatory hand-wringing accounts of society’s failure regarding McVeigh.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, McVeigh wasn&#8217;t a school shooter, and that&#8217;s the group that I&#8217;m talking about here. </p>
<p>But I haven&#8217;t read any bios of McVeigh, so I didn&#8217;t know that about him. If he was bullied in high school, then I&#8217;d say he probably suffered from the same kind of alienation that the young men I wrote about experienced. So, even though he manifested his in a different way, I could see him as part of the same phenomenon as them. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure where this has anything to do with being liberal or conservative. I&#8217;m not aware that any of the school shooters were of one political persuasion or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Fruticetum</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/20/how-to-create-a-school-shooter/#comment-102400</link>
		<dc:creator>Fruticetum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 21:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's odd. I read a bio on Timothy McVeigh. It said he also was bullied in elementary school and middle school.

So why isn't McVeigh included in these 'Where did we go wrong' analyses?  For some reason, I haven't seen any self-accusatory hand-wringing accounts of society's failure regarding McVeigh. 

Could it be because liberals need to flavor each tragedy in a way that suits their politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s odd. I read a bio on Timothy McVeigh. It said he also was bullied in elementary school and middle school.</p>
<p>So why isn&#8217;t McVeigh included in these &#8216;Where did we go wrong&#8217; analyses?  For some reason, I haven&#8217;t seen any self-accusatory hand-wringing accounts of society&#8217;s failure regarding McVeigh. </p>
<p>Could it be because liberals need to flavor each tragedy in a way that suits their politics?</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and I especially appreciate the comments from Lara and NickM.  I'm looking forward to your next post about this.  I'll be reading a lot more of Mr. T, and a lot less of DailyKos since Markos still doesn't get it. 

I was humiliated terribly in grade school, and it was even encouraged by a male teacher who enjoyed getting the whole class to laugh at my expense.  I had problems which made me an easy target. 

Kids in middle school can be very cruel, and I remember being rated by the boys with zeroes and negative numbers as I walked in the hall.  I wasn't hideously ugly, but no looker either.

Now I see a psychologist.  Not once did I ever have any thought of blowing away anyone, not even the cruelest of my classmates.  Girls are taught to get depressed.  Boys are taught to get even - whether or not their victims were actually their tormentors.

This also helps explain why most of the sexually abused children are female, yet most of the abusers are male.  Since "victims grow up to be abusers", this doesn't make sense.  The male victims grow up to be abusers.  The female victims blame themselves and get depressed.

Also, there is the sense of white male entitlement which has been threatened over the years.  The WASPs who have always had power see that things are no longer completely biased in their favor as it was in the "good" old days.  It may have been especially difficult for Cho, coming from a more sexist culture, to deal with the independent young women at VT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and I especially appreciate the comments from Lara and NickM.  I&#8217;m looking forward to your next post about this.  I&#8217;ll be reading a lot more of Mr. T, and a lot less of DailyKos since Markos still doesn&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>I was humiliated terribly in grade school, and it was even encouraged by a male teacher who enjoyed getting the whole class to laugh at my expense.  I had problems which made me an easy target. </p>
<p>Kids in middle school can be very cruel, and I remember being rated by the boys with zeroes and negative numbers as I walked in the hall.  I wasn&#8217;t hideously ugly, but no looker either.</p>
<p>Now I see a psychologist.  Not once did I ever have any thought of blowing away anyone, not even the cruelest of my classmates.  Girls are taught to get depressed.  Boys are taught to get even - whether or not their victims were actually their tormentors.</p>
<p>This also helps explain why most of the sexually abused children are female, yet most of the abusers are male.  Since &#8220;victims grow up to be abusers&#8221;, this doesn&#8217;t make sense.  The male victims grow up to be abusers.  The female victims blame themselves and get depressed.</p>
<p>Also, there is the sense of white male entitlement which has been threatened over the years.  The WASPs who have always had power see that things are no longer completely biased in their favor as it was in the &#8220;good&#8221; old days.  It may have been especially difficult for Cho, coming from a more sexist culture, to deal with the independent young women at VT.</p>
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		<title>By: terrance</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/20/how-to-create-a-school-shooter/#comment-86297</link>
		<dc:creator>terrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So it begs the question: how are we raising our boys in particular to not know how to deal with anger and emotions, to act out violently against others, especially women? To be very controlling? Why is the perpetrator’s almost always being male taken for granted?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Followed by:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Good point. I heard two psychiatrists on NPR’s “Science Friday” talking about the Virginia Tech shooting. Both were experts in studying mass murderers. One of them pointed out the two common features in almost all mass murderers, and I was shocked that being male was not one of them. It’s taken for granted that mass murderers will be male, but it seems to me that the question of why that is deserves study.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny that. I'm just in the middle of a post that addresses those very questions. Hope to finish and publish it soon, if life &#038; work allow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So it begs the question: how are we raising our boys in particular to not know how to deal with anger and emotions, to act out violently against others, especially women? To be very controlling? Why is the perpetrator’s almost always being male taken for granted?</p></blockquote>
<p>Followed by:</p>
<blockquote><p>Good point. I heard two psychiatrists on NPR’s “Science Friday” talking about the Virginia Tech shooting. Both were experts in studying mass murderers. One of them pointed out the two common features in almost all mass murderers, and I was shocked that being male was not one of them. It’s taken for granted that mass murderers will be male, but it seems to me that the question of why that is deserves study.</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny that. I&#8217;m just in the middle of a post that addresses those very questions. Hope to finish and publish it soon, if life &#038; work allow.</p>
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		<title>By: NickM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I would really like it if someone finally addresses the issue of gender and masculinity and how that played as one of the main factors in this tragedy."

Good point.  I heard two psychiatrists on NPR's "Science Friday" talking about the Virginia Tech shooting.   Both were experts in studying mass murderers.  One of them pointed out the two common features in almost all mass murderers, and I was shocked that being male was not one of them.  It's taken for granted that mass murderers will be male, but it seems to me that the question of why that is deserves study.     

As to the point about the culture of humiliation, this was forcefully brought home to me about a year ago.   I turned on the TV - something I almost never do -- and apparently "Fear Factor" was on.   To win a prize - I think it was $10,000 - a mother and father had to drink a blenderful of milk, ice cream, and maggots.  In front of their three kids.   The two oldest, I guess around 6 and 9 years old, were "socialized" enough into the culture to cheer on their parents' humiliation as they repeatedly gagged on the drink.   The youngest, probably around 3, didn't understand how society worked yet, and was horrified and concerned for her parents.  It was heartbreaking.   Ritual humiliation, children cheering on their parents' degradation, a child forced to watch her parents gag for a pittance - enjoyed as entertainment on mainstream television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would really like it if someone finally addresses the issue of gender and masculinity and how that played as one of the main factors in this tragedy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point.  I heard two psychiatrists on NPR&#8217;s &#8220;Science Friday&#8221; talking about the Virginia Tech shooting.   Both were experts in studying mass murderers.  One of them pointed out the two common features in almost all mass murderers, and I was shocked that being male was not one of them.  It&#8217;s taken for granted that mass murderers will be male, but it seems to me that the question of why that is deserves study.     </p>
<p>As to the point about the culture of humiliation, this was forcefully brought home to me about a year ago.   I turned on the TV - something I almost never do &#8212; and apparently &#8220;Fear Factor&#8221; was on.   To win a prize - I think it was $10,000 - a mother and father had to drink a blenderful of milk, ice cream, and maggots.  In front of their three kids.   The two oldest, I guess around 6 and 9 years old, were &#8220;socialized&#8221; enough into the culture to cheer on their parents&#8217; humiliation as they repeatedly gagged on the drink.   The youngest, probably around 3, didn&#8217;t understand how society worked yet, and was horrified and concerned for her parents.  It was heartbreaking.   Ritual humiliation, children cheering on their parents&#8217; degradation, a child forced to watch her parents gag for a pittance - enjoyed as entertainment on mainstream television.</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe his being male.  Why is it that out of the 46 mass shootings in the U.S. that occurred since 1996, 45 of them were committed by males?  Please, don't give me the biology answer.  Consider this: women and girls are constantly harassed, abused, and excluded simply because of their gender, in connection to also being a national, racial, or ethnic minority (in the case of an immigrant or minority female) and you do not see women going on rampages shooting lots of innocent people.  Hmmm...Also consider this: Cho, like lots of other overly aggressive and controlling guys, first started his rampage by killing a young woman that used to go to his highschool.  He stalked her, and a few other women on that campus, and no one, not even the police, saw this as a big deal.  We have seen many many incidents in which men first shoot or murder their girlfriends/wives/ex-gfs/ex-wives/stalking victims and then kill themselves.  So it begs the question: how are we raising our boys in particular to not know how to deal with anger and emotions, to act out violently against others, especially women?  To be very controlling?  Why is the perpetrator's almost always being male taken for granted?  If we want to solve the problem we have to look at a number of factors: masculinity in American culture, tied in with the glorification of violence and death, tied in with Cho's sense of alienation and isolation because he came from an immigrant family and did not "fit in", and, perhaps, the lax rules on gun control.  I would really like it if someone &lt;i&gt;finally&lt;/i&gt; addresses the issue of gender and masculinity and how that played as one of the main factors in this tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe his being male.  Why is it that out of the 46 mass shootings in the U.S. that occurred since 1996, 45 of them were committed by males?  Please, don&#8217;t give me the biology answer.  Consider this: women and girls are constantly harassed, abused, and excluded simply because of their gender, in connection to also being a national, racial, or ethnic minority (in the case of an immigrant or minority female) and you do not see women going on rampages shooting lots of innocent people.  Hmmm&#8230;Also consider this: Cho, like lots of other overly aggressive and controlling guys, first started his rampage by killing a young woman that used to go to his highschool.  He stalked her, and a few other women on that campus, and no one, not even the police, saw this as a big deal.  We have seen many many incidents in which men first shoot or murder their girlfriends/wives/ex-gfs/ex-wives/stalking victims and then kill themselves.  So it begs the question: how are we raising our boys in particular to not know how to deal with anger and emotions, to act out violently against others, especially women?  To be very controlling?  Why is the perpetrator&#8217;s almost always being male taken for granted?  If we want to solve the problem we have to look at a number of factors: masculinity in American culture, tied in with the glorification of violence and death, tied in with Cho&#8217;s sense of alienation and isolation because he came from an immigrant family and did not &#8220;fit in&#8221;, and, perhaps, the lax rules on gun control.  I would really like it if someone <i>finally</i> addresses the issue of gender and masculinity and how that played as one of the main factors in this tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really wonderful essay. Would you mind it if I suggested it to some of my students? They're going to be writing on &lt;em&gt;Vernon God Little&lt;/em&gt;, the satire about Columbine, in a few weeks, and I want them to have some outside ideas about how things like this happen. Again, thanks for this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really wonderful essay. Would you mind it if I suggested it to some of my students? They&#8217;re going to be writing on <em>Vernon God Little</em>, the satire about Columbine, in a few weeks, and I want them to have some outside ideas about how things like this happen. Again, thanks for this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Terrance.  And I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Terrance.  And I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Women of Color Blog &#187; Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women of Color Blog &#187; Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Republic of T: How to create a school shooter  Hypen Blog: Race and Murder at VA Tech (h/t to Clair Light) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gmblue</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A conversation to someone "like that" sounds like you already have them classified as a killer.

It doesnt take much to strike up a conversation to someone you dont already acknowledge. I say hello to people all the time that I come across in the streets or store. A simple hello followed with a statement relating to the current situation, be it what theyre looking at or possibly an overheard conversation you or they are having with someone. 
Seriously it only takes a breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A conversation to someone &#8220;like that&#8221; sounds like you already have them classified as a killer.</p>
<p>It doesnt take much to strike up a conversation to someone you dont already acknowledge. I say hello to people all the time that I come across in the streets or store. A simple hello followed with a statement relating to the current situation, be it what theyre looking at or possibly an overheard conversation you or they are having with someone.<br />
Seriously it only takes a breath.</p>
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