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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2007/10/22/why-oh-why-obama/#comment-174620</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For your information, Pastor McClurin’s position is fully supported by the Holy Bible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Arguably what Adolf Hitler was advocating regarding Jews and homosexuals was also "fully supported by the Holy Bible". Yet, suppose Hitler is American and still alive today, would anyone in their right mind would ever decide to be associated with him? Well, actually, I'm of the opinion that the Christian right would.

Not to compare Donnie McClurin to Adolf Hitler, which I was using only to demonstrate the potential dangers and the faulty rationale of using the Bible as justification to associate oneself with a public figure for political gain. I further applaud the pastor's on his apparent victory over his own demons that is his childhood sexual abuse.

However, it is one thing to be a sexual predator, and quite another to be gay; it is one thing to struggle against one's own demons, and quite another to say someone else is of the demon. Pastor McClurin's struggles is really about overcoming sexual abuse -- which really has nothing to do with being gay. To confuse the two only shows Pastor McClurin's own ignorance. Odd that no female children abused by a male predator never preach against heterosexuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For your information, Pastor McClurin’s position is fully supported by the Holy Bible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Arguably what Adolf Hitler was advocating regarding Jews and homosexuals was also &#8220;fully supported by the Holy Bible&#8221;. Yet, suppose Hitler is American and still alive today, would anyone in their right mind would ever decide to be associated with him? Well, actually, I&#8217;m of the opinion that the Christian right would.</p>
<p>Not to compare Donnie McClurin to Adolf Hitler, which I was using only to demonstrate the potential dangers and the faulty rationale of using the Bible as justification to associate oneself with a public figure for political gain. I further applaud the pastor&#8217;s on his apparent victory over his own demons that is his childhood sexual abuse.</p>
<p>However, it is one thing to be a sexual predator, and quite another to be gay; it is one thing to struggle against one&#8217;s own demons, and quite another to say someone else is of the demon. Pastor McClurin&#8217;s struggles is really about overcoming sexual abuse &#8212; which really has nothing to do with being gay. To confuse the two only shows Pastor McClurin&#8217;s own ignorance. Odd that no female children abused by a male predator never preach against heterosexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: terrance</title>
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		<dc:creator>terrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing. Have you told your gay friends they need to be "delivered" from who they are? Have you told them that they need to be "delivered" the way a drug addict, or an alcoholic, or a murderer or adulterer need to be "delivered"? Are they &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; your friends? 

If they are, I wonder if they even like themselves, or if they've bough into the same rhetoric you have. If so, then I can think of one thing they need to be delivered from. Make that two, one of them being  a "friend" like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing. Have you told your gay friends they need to be &#8220;delivered&#8221; from who they are? Have you told them that they need to be &#8220;delivered&#8221; the way a drug addict, or an alcoholic, or a murderer or adulterer need to be &#8220;delivered&#8221;? Are they <em>still</em> your friends? </p>
<p>If they are, I wonder if they even like themselves, or if they&#8217;ve bough into the same rhetoric you have. If so, then I can think of one thing they need to be delivered from. Make that two, one of them being  a &#8220;friend&#8221; like you.</p>
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		<title>By: GDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>GDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F.Igwealor said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Pastor McClurin is a beloved gospel singer that was delivered from homosexuality. Why should he become a pariah for sharing his testimonies?
Like the Senator, I have and respect my gay friends but cannot fathom they are so intolerant of anybody that doesn’t agree with their views.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I think you've provided the material to answer your own question.  You say you have gay friends, but you also say that McClurin was "delivered" from homosexuality.  Do you not get the impact of putting those two statements together?  Essentially, you're saying that homosexuality is a condition from which people need to be rescued.  Even if you didn't mean that, the words you've chosen strongly imply that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F.Igwealor said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pastor McClurin is a beloved gospel singer that was delivered from homosexuality. Why should he become a pariah for sharing his testimonies?<br />
Like the Senator, I have and respect my gay friends but cannot fathom they are so intolerant of anybody that doesn’t agree with their views.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I think you&#8217;ve provided the material to answer your own question.  You say you have gay friends, but you also say that McClurin was &#8220;delivered&#8221; from homosexuality.  Do you not get the impact of putting those two statements together?  Essentially, you&#8217;re saying that homosexuality is a condition from which people need to be rescued.  Even if you didn&#8217;t mean that, the words you&#8217;ve chosen strongly imply that.</p>
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		<title>By: terrance</title>
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		<dc:creator>terrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if a Republican candidate hosted a series of concerts at which &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Blue_(duo)" rel="nofollow"&gt; Prussian Blue&lt;/a&gt;? Or a Democrat for that matter? Should people protest? See, the thing is, alot of things can be "supported by the Bible." The &lt;a href="http://www.republicoft.com/2007/01/18/un-reconstructed-racism/" rel="nofollow"&gt;bible used to justify racism and slavery&lt;/a&gt;, after all, and still is. Genocide too. 

Would it be right to protest? Would it be right to ask the candidates to denounce those who advocate discrimination against others?

As for intolerance? Your logic, that the &lt;a href="http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/28/tolerance-of-intolerance-is-tolerance/" rel="nofollow"&gt;tolerance of intolerance is tolerance&lt;/a&gt;, would mystify George Orwell himself. In other words, unless I tolerate those who are intolerant of me -- up to and including advocating discrimination against me -- I am myself intolerant. 

It might play in Oceania, but it won't hold water here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if a Republican candidate hosted a series of concerts at which <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Blue_(duo)" rel="nofollow"> Prussian Blue</a>? Or a Democrat for that matter? Should people protest? See, the thing is, alot of things can be &#8220;supported by the Bible.&#8221; The <a href="http://www.republicoft.com/2007/01/18/un-reconstructed-racism/" rel="nofollow">bible used to justify racism and slavery</a>, after all, and still is. Genocide too. </p>
<p>Would it be right to protest? Would it be right to ask the candidates to denounce those who advocate discrimination against others?</p>
<p>As for intolerance? Your logic, that the <a href="http://www.republicoft.com/2006/09/28/tolerance-of-intolerance-is-tolerance/" rel="nofollow">tolerance of intolerance is tolerance</a>, would mystify George Orwell himself. In other words, unless I tolerate those who are intolerant of me &#8212; up to and including advocating discrimination against me &#8212; I am myself intolerant. </p>
<p>It might play in Oceania, but it won&#8217;t hold water here.</p>
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		<title>By: ruggerjohnnyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruggerjohnnyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disturbing. And to kjasf I say "Barack Obama's campaign is hosting" the concerts and that is bad enough. To F.Igwealor I say, this is not a matter of just not "agreeing with thier views" and we both know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disturbing. And to kjasf I say &#8220;Barack Obama&#8217;s campaign is hosting&#8221; the concerts and that is bad enough. To F.Igwealor I say, this is not a matter of just not &#8220;agreeing with thier views&#8221; and we both know it.</p>
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		<title>By: F.Igwealor</title>
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		<dc:creator>F.Igwealor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,
Guess who’s intolerant now?
Pastor McClurin is a beloved gospel singer that was delivered from homosexuality. Why should he become a pariah for sharing his testimonies?
Like the Senator, I have and respect my gay friends but cannot fathom they are so intolerant of anybody that doesn’t agree with their views.
For your information, Pastor McClurin’s position is fully supported by the Holy Bible.

Let the gospel fest continue and thanks to the Senator’s campaign for being brave enough to stand his ground based on principle.
We, the bible believers are also Americans to who the Senator will be a worthy President. Oh, I forgot, the gays make big political donations – who cares, with God and the believers on the side of the Senator, he’ll win not only the nomination but also the presidency - in Jesus name, amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
Guess who’s intolerant now?<br />
Pastor McClurin is a beloved gospel singer that was delivered from homosexuality. Why should he become a pariah for sharing his testimonies?<br />
Like the Senator, I have and respect my gay friends but cannot fathom they are so intolerant of anybody that doesn’t agree with their views.<br />
For your information, Pastor McClurin’s position is fully supported by the Holy Bible.</p>
<p>Let the gospel fest continue and thanks to the Senator’s campaign for being brave enough to stand his ground based on principle.<br />
We, the bible believers are also Americans to who the Senator will be a worthy President. Oh, I forgot, the gays make big political donations – who cares, with God and the believers on the side of the Senator, he’ll win not only the nomination but also the presidency - in Jesus name, amen.</p>
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		<title>By: kjasf</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2007/10/22/why-oh-why-obama/#comment-174547</link>
		<dc:creator>kjasf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two corrections.

      1. Donnie McClurkin is one of four performers at one of three gospel concerts.
      2. Obama isn’t scheduled to appear at the concerts.

      Here is the official information on the Gospel Concerts: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/scembrace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two corrections.</p>
<p>      1. Donnie McClurkin is one of four performers at one of three gospel concerts.<br />
      2. Obama isn’t scheduled to appear at the concerts.</p>
<p>      Here is the official information on the Gospel Concerts: <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/scembrace" rel="nofollow">http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/scembrace</a></p>
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		<title>By: cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, Mary aren't so enlightened either.

http://www.vibe.com/news/news_headlines/2007/03/mary_mary_interview/

from a vibe.com interview:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but you have a large gay following. How do you feel about homosexuality and having a gay following?&lt;/b&gt;
Erica: We are aware. Um... how do I feel about homosexuality? I feel how God feels about it, um… but I still love them. You know what I mean? I don't agree with the lifestyle, but I love them. They can come to the concert; I'm going to hug them just like I hug everybody else. They have issues and need somebody to encourage them like everybody else - just like the murderer, just like the one full of pride, just like the prostitute, everybody needs God. What your struggle is may not be what my struggle is, but we all need Him. So, that's what our music is about: giving and God. Not to condone the lifestyle or to say, Oh it's okay, but not to bash - but just to give them God. I mean, I'm appreciative of all of our supporters and fans. Hopefully what their hearing and saying in our music is my love for God.
Tina: You know, I think the fact that our music is very, very upbeat and works well in clubs - you know, I think that's something that makes more people gravitate to it. Like Erica said, we don't necessarily agree with the lifestyle, but we don't pride ourselves on bashing. Everyone has things in their life that they need to correct, everybody has struggles. Even though that's the way we feel, we don't bash, and we embrace everybody who enjoys our music. Hopefully our music is impacting them in a way that, if they see there's some things in their life that's not quite right and doesn't align themselves with what the Bible says - hopefully our music impacts them in a way that makes them want to change it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, Mary aren&#8217;t so enlightened either.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vibe.com/news/news_headlines/2007/03/mary_mary_interview/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vibe.com/news/news_.....interview/</a></p>
<p>from a vibe.com interview:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>I&#8217;m not sure if you are aware of this, but you have a large gay following. How do you feel about homosexuality and having a gay following?</b><br />
Erica: We are aware. Um&#8230; how do I feel about homosexuality? I feel how God feels about it, um… but I still love them. You know what I mean? I don&#8217;t agree with the lifestyle, but I love them. They can come to the concert; I&#8217;m going to hug them just like I hug everybody else. They have issues and need somebody to encourage them like everybody else - just like the murderer, just like the one full of pride, just like the prostitute, everybody needs God. What your struggle is may not be what my struggle is, but we all need Him. So, that&#8217;s what our music is about: giving and God. Not to condone the lifestyle or to say, Oh it&#8217;s okay, but not to bash - but just to give them God. I mean, I&#8217;m appreciative of all of our supporters and fans. Hopefully what their hearing and saying in our music is my love for God.<br />
Tina: You know, I think the fact that our music is very, very upbeat and works well in clubs - you know, I think that&#8217;s something that makes more people gravitate to it. Like Erica said, we don&#8217;t necessarily agree with the lifestyle, but we don&#8217;t pride ourselves on bashing. Everyone has things in their life that they need to correct, everybody has struggles. Even though that&#8217;s the way we feel, we don&#8217;t bash, and we embrace everybody who enjoys our music. Hopefully our music is impacting them in a way that, if they see there&#8217;s some things in their life that&#8217;s not quite right and doesn&#8217;t align themselves with what the Bible says - hopefully our music impacts them in a way that makes them want to change it.</p></blockquote>
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