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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JTW</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-181333</link>
		<dc:creator>JTW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see comments like "don’t ignore them" and other comments like "Don't ask don't tell." Obviously we are conflicted about how to handle this. 

Personally, I believe a "DADT" solution is the worst. That's how former marines get to seduce boys, and the BSA gets to flit along in blissful ignorance of the kids they are hurting. 

BSA themselves acknowledged during The Trials that open homosexuals are significantly less likely to abuse boys than any other group. But they continue to teach that the only two options for kids are chastity or suicide, and the only thing worse than being an openly gay man is being truthful about it. 

My vote is to participate in this. Maybe it will give NESA a clue as to how many gay scouts there are out there, and the foamers (rabid gay-haters) will have to see their names listed next to people they hate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see comments like &#8220;don’t ignore them&#8221; and other comments like &#8220;Don&#8217;t ask don&#8217;t tell.&#8221; Obviously we are conflicted about how to handle this. </p>
<p>Personally, I believe a &#8220;DADT&#8221; solution is the worst. That&#8217;s how former marines get to seduce boys, and the BSA gets to flit along in blissful ignorance of the kids they are hurting. </p>
<p>BSA themselves acknowledged during The Trials that open homosexuals are significantly less likely to abuse boys than any other group. But they continue to teach that the only two options for kids are chastity or suicide, and the only thing worse than being an openly gay man is being truthful about it. </p>
<p>My vote is to participate in this. Maybe it will give NESA a clue as to how many gay scouts there are out there, and the foamers (rabid gay-haters) will have to see their names listed next to people they hate!</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Kinney</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-181176</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. Kinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a homosexual boy in my patrol. He was not in the least shy about it but he didn't feel the need to announce it at troop meetings. Unfortunately the troop later took on a former marine as a scouting assistant. I later found out that he was both a misogynist and a homosexual. He seemed to all a fine ex-marine on the surface. He prayed upon boys in the troop, including the homosexual in my patrol, until he finally invited a boy for overnight that objected and told his father. When his actions became known to the parents, it almost caused the disbandenment of the troop.

There is no reason for anyone in scouting to broadcast sexual preferences. That's not what scouting is about. Indeed, it gives boys and young men a chance to get involved in the other important aspects of nature without the strain of sex. The armed forces of this country have the answer, "don't ask, don't tell." It's nobody's business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a homosexual boy in my patrol. He was not in the least shy about it but he didn&#8217;t feel the need to announce it at troop meetings. Unfortunately the troop later took on a former marine as a scouting assistant. I later found out that he was both a misogynist and a homosexual. He seemed to all a fine ex-marine on the surface. He prayed upon boys in the troop, including the homosexual in my patrol, until he finally invited a boy for overnight that objected and told his father. When his actions became known to the parents, it almost caused the disbandenment of the troop.</p>
<p>There is no reason for anyone in scouting to broadcast sexual preferences. That&#8217;s not what scouting is about. Indeed, it gives boys and young men a chance to get involved in the other important aspects of nature without the strain of sex. The armed forces of this country have the answer, &#8220;don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell.&#8221; It&#8217;s nobody&#8217;s business.</p>
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		<title>By: bsci</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-180906</link>
		<dc:creator>bsci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also received this and I responded to the survey. They do indeed ask for the names of spouses and children. I didn't include mine because I felt no need to include my wife's name in a random directory going to many unknown people. As soon as I hung up, I thought of issues of people like you.
I think you should definitely respond to the survey and include your husband's name. At best, they include the information, and at worst, they keep ignoring you. You're already on the list of eagle scouts and they get minimal additional benefit from putting you in a directory.

The only side effect of responding so far is that "Scouting" magazine showed up in my mailbox for free last week. I haven't opened it yet. If they start asking for donations, I'll ask them to change their homophobic policies first.

fyi, The other questions on the survey related to address, education, and current profession. There were a series of questions on whether you were currently involved with scouting and whether you wanted local scouting organizations to contact you. I responded "No" to these questions mainly because of the current homophobic policies, but perhaps you might be willing to respond "yes." These local people need to know that there is some amazing people and role models willing to help if not for these current rules. Staying quiet helps no one.

I found a link here from http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/04/calling_all_eagle_scouts_umnot.php
and I don't yet know much about you or your blog, so sorry if I made any incorrect assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also received this and I responded to the survey. They do indeed ask for the names of spouses and children. I didn&#8217;t include mine because I felt no need to include my wife&#8217;s name in a random directory going to many unknown people. As soon as I hung up, I thought of issues of people like you.<br />
I think you should definitely respond to the survey and include your husband&#8217;s name. At best, they include the information, and at worst, they keep ignoring you. You&#8217;re already on the list of eagle scouts and they get minimal additional benefit from putting you in a directory.</p>
<p>The only side effect of responding so far is that &#8220;Scouting&#8221; magazine showed up in my mailbox for free last week. I haven&#8217;t opened it yet. If they start asking for donations, I&#8217;ll ask them to change their homophobic policies first.</p>
<p>fyi, The other questions on the survey related to address, education, and current profession. There were a series of questions on whether you were currently involved with scouting and whether you wanted local scouting organizations to contact you. I responded &#8220;No&#8221; to these questions mainly because of the current homophobic policies, but perhaps you might be willing to respond &#8220;yes.&#8221; These local people need to know that there is some amazing people and role models willing to help if not for these current rules. Staying quiet helps no one.</p>
<p>I found a link here from <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/04/calling_all_eagle_scouts_umnot.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/dispat....._umnot.php</a><br />
and I don&#8217;t yet know much about you or your blog, so sorry if I made any incorrect assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-180819</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Option number 3.  I'm not gay, but I'm an eagle scout who opposes this kind of discrimination.  As a result, whenever I receive a letter like that, I reply thusly:

I am an Eagle Scout from Boy Scout Troop XXX, and I recently recieved notice about your search for Eagle Scouts in my area. As much as I would like to be active in the BSA, I cannot in good conscience continue to support an organization who discriminates against both
homosexuals and atheists.

During my many years in Boy Scouts, I was taught to always strive to be morally straight. I was not, however, taught to be a bigot.

Regretfully,

Chris Miller
Eagle Scout

So far I haven't heard any responses back, but it heartens me that they're at least hearing my point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Option number 3.  I&#8217;m not gay, but I&#8217;m an eagle scout who opposes this kind of discrimination.  As a result, whenever I receive a letter like that, I reply thusly:</p>
<p>I am an Eagle Scout from Boy Scout Troop XXX, and I recently recieved notice about your search for Eagle Scouts in my area. As much as I would like to be active in the BSA, I cannot in good conscience continue to support an organization who discriminates against both<br />
homosexuals and atheists.</p>
<p>During my many years in Boy Scouts, I was taught to always strive to be morally straight. I was not, however, taught to be a bigot.</p>
<p>Regretfully,</p>
<p>Chris Miller<br />
Eagle Scout</p>
<p>So far I haven&#8217;t heard any responses back, but it heartens me that they&#8217;re at least hearing my point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: World of Science News : Blog Archive : links for 2008-04-20 [Uncertain Principles]</title>
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		<dc:creator>World of Science News : Blog Archive : links for 2008-04-20 [Uncertain Principles]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Republic of T. » A Scout Is ... Queer? Terrance Has a Dilemma (tags: gender society culture law US ethics diversity) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stentor</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-180789</link>
		<dc:creator>Stentor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I called in to update my info the other week. They basically ask for your contact info, spouse and kids, and current employment. I would say to go with option B, and if they give you a hard time about it (which they might not, since it's just some flack at the publishing company, not a Scout employee, answering the phone), then switch to option C. (I'm straight and marginally religious, but I did kind of wish I worked for a gay rights or separation-of-church-and-state group so that I could give them a bit of option B.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called in to update my info the other week. They basically ask for your contact info, spouse and kids, and current employment. I would say to go with option B, and if they give you a hard time about it (which they might not, since it&#8217;s just some flack at the publishing company, not a Scout employee, answering the phone), then switch to option C. (I&#8217;m straight and marginally religious, but I did kind of wish I worked for a gay rights or separation-of-church-and-state group so that I could give them a bit of option B.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-180785</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a gay Eagle Scout, 25 years old, but I haven't received any such communication. Time to check out the NESA a little more in-depth. Tangent aside, I'm fiercely proud of the honor and heritage of the Eagle Scout award, and even of the discriminatory organization that made it all possible. Maybe "I'd prefer to not disclose"-type responses are the best thing here for those probing questions. As much as I'd love to be completely honest with them, I'd be afraid of the consequences and repercussions against my family. Can they cause my award to be revoked? My cousins'? My uncle's? Can they cancel my mom's merit badge counselor certifications? Can they prevent my little brothers from becoming Eagles? Can they get my brothers &lt;i&gt;kicked out&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a gay Eagle Scout, 25 years old, but I haven&#8217;t received any such communication. Time to check out the NESA a little more in-depth. Tangent aside, I&#8217;m fiercely proud of the honor and heritage of the Eagle Scout award, and even of the discriminatory organization that made it all possible. Maybe &#8220;I&#8217;d prefer to not disclose&#8221;-type responses are the best thing here for those probing questions. As much as I&#8217;d love to be completely honest with them, I&#8217;d be afraid of the consequences and repercussions against my family. Can they cause my award to be revoked? My cousins&#8217;? My uncle&#8217;s? Can they cancel my mom&#8217;s merit badge counselor certifications? Can they prevent my little brothers from becoming Eagles? Can they get my brothers <i>kicked out</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-180783</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my parents address is still the one on record, I should change that.  At any rate, I'm going home to Maryland to visit the family next weekend so I'll look for it then.  I think you should absolutely respond to them and talk candidly about your life: the beautiful life you have built and the ways that your experience as an Eagle Scout has shaped that.

Over the Christmas holiday I was picking up groceries for my parents and noticed a cub scout shopping in uniform with his dad.  As it turns out, he was from my troop!  I smiled and said hello and told them I was in Troop 773 back in the day and wished them both good luck.  The boy was just started out and I told him I made it all the way to Eagle and that it is was worth it.  I left thinking "Community in action,  what a great thing."  And then many of the same thoughts you had raced through my mind, "but what about the horrible policies?  What about my eventual son(s)?  What about my friend Matt who was kicked out before he could reach Eagle?"

Boy Scouts was the throughline of my childhood.  Boy Scouts was safe, fun, and adventurous all at once.  Boy Scouts fostered character and commitment.  I wonder if I haven't taken my experiences for granted.  How did my leadership positions and my Eagle project prepare me to manage a tv station?  To produce a movie?  To plan two days of activities during Equality Ride?  To organize a benefit for SFNYC?

Boy Scouts in general, and being an Eagle Scout specifically, is so much a part of who I am today that it took me this post to realize it.  I hope to share that with the Eagle Scout Associate.  It is an important organization and individuals like you, me, and all the rest will call it to be the best it can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my parents address is still the one on record, I should change that.  At any rate, I&#8217;m going home to Maryland to visit the family next weekend so I&#8217;ll look for it then.  I think you should absolutely respond to them and talk candidly about your life: the beautiful life you have built and the ways that your experience as an Eagle Scout has shaped that.</p>
<p>Over the Christmas holiday I was picking up groceries for my parents and noticed a cub scout shopping in uniform with his dad.  As it turns out, he was from my troop!  I smiled and said hello and told them I was in Troop 773 back in the day and wished them both good luck.  The boy was just started out and I told him I made it all the way to Eagle and that it is was worth it.  I left thinking &#8220;Community in action,  what a great thing.&#8221;  And then many of the same thoughts you had raced through my mind, &#8220;but what about the horrible policies?  What about my eventual son(s)?  What about my friend Matt who was kicked out before he could reach Eagle?&#8221;</p>
<p>Boy Scouts was the throughline of my childhood.  Boy Scouts was safe, fun, and adventurous all at once.  Boy Scouts fostered character and commitment.  I wonder if I haven&#8217;t taken my experiences for granted.  How did my leadership positions and my Eagle project prepare me to manage a tv station?  To produce a movie?  To plan two days of activities during Equality Ride?  To organize a benefit for SFNYC?</p>
<p>Boy Scouts in general, and being an Eagle Scout specifically, is so much a part of who I am today that it took me this post to realize it.  I hope to share that with the Eagle Scout Associate.  It is an important organization and individuals like you, me, and all the rest will call it to be the best it can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/18/a-scout-is-queer/#comment-180779</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Girl Scout, I'm glad the Girl Scouts aren't anti-gay/anti-atheist like the Boy Scouts. Also,  I'd hate to have to give up my GS cookies. ;-)

Seriously though, I'd reply to the letter and politely tell them how you feel.  The worst they can do is throw it in the trash.  The best that can happen is you change some heart(s) and mind(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Girl Scout, I&#8217;m glad the Girl Scouts aren&#8217;t anti-gay/anti-atheist like the Boy Scouts. Also,  I&#8217;d hate to have to give up my GS cookies. <img src='http://www.republicoft.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though, I&#8217;d reply to the letter and politely tell them how you feel.  The worst they can do is throw it in the trash.  The best that can happen is you change some heart(s) and mind(s).</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say answer them, and answer them honestly.  As a veteran scout leader, I would love them to finally see the light with a boatload of replies that say "I'm and eagle scout AND I'm gay!" and change the policy.  I believe it is possible to be morally straight AND gay!  Just like I know it's possible to be heterosexual and a total *sshat, the two really aren't connected.  What make a good scout is his heart and I know you have that heart!  I know there are many honest, trustworthy and loyal gay men out there that deserve to be proud of their rank, not confused and stressed by it!  Tell them the truth, maybe they will hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say answer them, and answer them honestly.  As a veteran scout leader, I would love them to finally see the light with a boatload of replies that say &#8220;I&#8217;m and eagle scout AND I&#8217;m gay!&#8221; and change the policy.  I believe it is possible to be morally straight AND gay!  Just like I know it&#8217;s possible to be heterosexual and a total *sshat, the two really aren&#8217;t connected.  What make a good scout is his heart and I know you have that heart!  I know there are many honest, trustworthy and loyal gay men out there that deserve to be proud of their rank, not confused and stressed by it!  Tell them the truth, maybe they will hear it.</p>
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