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	<description>Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ateott</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/21/what-if-your-kid-is-gay-or-not/#comment-180995</link>
		<dc:creator>ateott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yondallo, your story makes me want to weep...I sometimes forget because I'm so hippy-sih/liberal and the rest that I forget about how my feelings or ideals would affect someone who is dear to me and my responsibility. Sometimes it's not so good to be too freethinking as that may hurt too..

I just know that I find the whole concept of homophobia so very odd and illogical, that it still baffles me.

I also agree with Mythago-those guys in the article were idiots. Fakers. Faux. The people who've posted on this message have genuine respect and interest in others. Those guys didn't AT ALL-they were more pre-occupied with how they were seen.

As a black person-this story makes me laugh, as it's the same reaction I've heard when I dated White guys-people who were soo open minded-suddenly thought it was right, what about the abuse we would get?

Funny old world we inhabit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yondallo, your story makes me want to weep&#8230;I sometimes forget because I&#8217;m so hippy-sih/liberal and the rest that I forget about how my feelings or ideals would affect someone who is dear to me and my responsibility. Sometimes it&#8217;s not so good to be too freethinking as that may hurt too..</p>
<p>I just know that I find the whole concept of homophobia so very odd and illogical, that it still baffles me.</p>
<p>I also agree with Mythago-those guys in the article were idiots. Fakers. Faux. The people who&#8217;ve posted on this message have genuine respect and interest in others. Those guys didn&#8217;t AT ALL-they were more pre-occupied with how they were seen.</p>
<p>As a black person-this story makes me laugh, as it&#8217;s the same reaction I&#8217;ve heard when I dated White guys-people who were soo open minded-suddenly thought it was right, what about the abuse we would get?</p>
<p>Funny old world we inhabit.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/21/what-if-your-kid-is-gay-or-not/#comment-180983</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand parents whose fear is "if my son is gay he'll be threatened by a homophobic society", that's not the vibe I'm getting from the dads in the article (who, in my opinion, would benefit from a few swift kicks in the ass). They're oozing masculinity issues: if my son's queer, what does that say about me?

Like you, T., I don't care if my son is gay, bi or straight, as long as he makes healthy choices and picks good people to share his life with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand parents whose fear is &#8220;if my son is gay he&#8217;ll be threatened by a homophobic society&#8221;, that&#8217;s not the vibe I&#8217;m getting from the dads in the article (who, in my opinion, would benefit from a few swift kicks in the ass). They&#8217;re oozing masculinity issues: if my son&#8217;s queer, what does that say about me?</p>
<p>Like you, T., I don&#8217;t care if my son is gay, bi or straight, as long as he makes healthy choices and picks good people to share his life with.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorin</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/21/what-if-your-kid-is-gay-or-not/#comment-180953</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really am not concerned about what other people think of whatever decisions about sex my now 8 year old son ends up making.  My job, as a parent, is to make sure that my son is confident and loving, especially in regards to himself.  I do that by modelling that behavior, and letting him know how much I love him, accept him as he is, and am proud of him.  If I do my job well enough, he won't care what others think of him either.

 In our case, my son is an autistic child.  So, I'm getting a bit of a dry run with the whole issue of my son being "different".  And what I find is that, so long as I am comfortable with my son's autism, and am comfortable discussing it with people, they are very accepting.  Especially the children.  We were at the playground last week, and Evan was being a bit rambunctious, in an autistic way.  At one point, he went for the swings, and took one from a kid who may not have been finished yet.  I explained that he was autistic, and the kid shrugged and relaxed.  Another time, we were at a seaport museum, and he ran up and tried to hug a girl around 11.  She shrieked "Get off!".  I caught up at that point, and pulled him away.  I apologized, and explained that he was autistic.  She immediately softened, and apologized for getting upset.

What's my point?  I have a couple.  The first is that my son's sexual orientation is nobody's business but his.  For me to worry about that would be tantamount to worrying about his autism, or his eye-color.  It's all just part of the package that God (or Nature, depending on one's point of view) has endowed him with.

  The second is that there will always be parents who are afraid of their children's deviation from the "norm".  I see it in the autistic community; parents with fearful and unaccepting attitudes about autism tend to have autistic children who don't believe in themselves.  It is a selfish attitude which stems from the attitude of "how does this affect me?"  which pervades our society.  I can choose to be one of those parents, or I can choose to be a parent who trusts that Love will provide.  I am proud of my son.  I wouldn't change a thing about him.  I work every day to be the kind of father he can be proud of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really am not concerned about what other people think of whatever decisions about sex my now 8 year old son ends up making.  My job, as a parent, is to make sure that my son is confident and loving, especially in regards to himself.  I do that by modelling that behavior, and letting him know how much I love him, accept him as he is, and am proud of him.  If I do my job well enough, he won&#8217;t care what others think of him either.</p>
<p> In our case, my son is an autistic child.  So, I&#8217;m getting a bit of a dry run with the whole issue of my son being &#8220;different&#8221;.  And what I find is that, so long as I am comfortable with my son&#8217;s autism, and am comfortable discussing it with people, they are very accepting.  Especially the children.  We were at the playground last week, and Evan was being a bit rambunctious, in an autistic way.  At one point, he went for the swings, and took one from a kid who may not have been finished yet.  I explained that he was autistic, and the kid shrugged and relaxed.  Another time, we were at a seaport museum, and he ran up and tried to hug a girl around 11.  She shrieked &#8220;Get off!&#8221;.  I caught up at that point, and pulled him away.  I apologized, and explained that he was autistic.  She immediately softened, and apologized for getting upset.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s my point?  I have a couple.  The first is that my son&#8217;s sexual orientation is nobody&#8217;s business but his.  For me to worry about that would be tantamount to worrying about his autism, or his eye-color.  It&#8217;s all just part of the package that God (or Nature, depending on one&#8217;s point of view) has endowed him with.</p>
<p>  The second is that there will always be parents who are afraid of their children&#8217;s deviation from the &#8220;norm&#8221;.  I see it in the autistic community; parents with fearful and unaccepting attitudes about autism tend to have autistic children who don&#8217;t believe in themselves.  It is a selfish attitude which stems from the attitude of &#8220;how does this affect me?&#8221;  which pervades our society.  I can choose to be one of those parents, or I can choose to be a parent who trusts that Love will provide.  I am proud of my son.  I wouldn&#8217;t change a thing about him.  I work every day to be the kind of father he can be proud of.</p>
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		<title>By: Family Equality Council Blog &#187; What if your kid is gay? Or not?</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/21/what-if-your-kid-is-gay-or-not/#comment-180911</link>
		<dc:creator>Family Equality Council Blog &#187; What if your kid is gay? Or not?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thrilled to bring this cross-post by our friend Terrance at the Republic T. Pay special attention to the &#8220;interview with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: warren</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/21/what-if-your-kid-is-gay-or-not/#comment-180857</link>
		<dc:creator>warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yondalla -- that's what it's like to be queer in most of rural America. Sorry you had to be introduced to it so rudely, but I'm glad you faced the challenge.

Terrance -- hell of a post. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yondalla &#8212; that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s like to be queer in most of rural America. Sorry you had to be introduced to it so rudely, but I&#8217;m glad you faced the challenge.</p>
<p>Terrance &#8212; hell of a post. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: karen in kalifornia</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen in kalifornia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I don't care."  Good answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t care.&#8221;  Good answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like n3rdchik, I've had people comment on my kids "boyness" but one time I remember being really baffled! One of my kids, at about 3 years old, ran headlong into a little girl on the playground.  He plowed her over and kept running.  (He was and is a huge kid, tall and stocky and always assumed to be 2-3 years older than he is) The girl ran to her grandmother, crying and I ran to my child, and took him by the arm and to the girl to apologize.  He offered up his best "sowwie" and grandma said "Oh, it's fine. Boys will be boys!"  I must have stared at her with my mouth open!  I said "Well, sure boys will be boys, but they don't have to be RUDE boys!"  I realize this has nothing to do with gay or not gay but it does highlight how we expect and tolerate different behavior from a boy, simply because he's a boy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like n3rdchik, I&#8217;ve had people comment on my kids &#8220;boyness&#8221; but one time I remember being really baffled! One of my kids, at about 3 years old, ran headlong into a little girl on the playground.  He plowed her over and kept running.  (He was and is a huge kid, tall and stocky and always assumed to be 2-3 years older than he is) The girl ran to her grandmother, crying and I ran to my child, and took him by the arm and to the girl to apologize.  He offered up his best &#8220;sowwie&#8221; and grandma said &#8220;Oh, it&#8217;s fine. Boys will be boys!&#8221;  I must have stared at her with my mouth open!  I said &#8220;Well, sure boys will be boys, but they don&#8217;t have to be RUDE boys!&#8221;  I realize this has nothing to do with gay or not gay but it does highlight how we expect and tolerate different behavior from a boy, simply because he&#8217;s a boy!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.republicoft.com/2008/04/21/what-if-your-kid-is-gay-or-not/#comment-180834</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it's just really natural for one to want his or her kids to find happiness, and it's hard for people to relate to happiness that's outside of their own experience. Yes, ultimately, any good parents wants children to find their own path in the world. But I'm not surprised that there's something challenging about realizing that your kid is going to take a path with a lot of feelings and experiences that you can't relate to directly, or share your own experiences with. 

I think it's unrealistic to expect people to have unconflicted, perfectly politically aware feelings about such basic emotional issues. I think what matters is that a parent can recognize that it's his issue to work through, not the kid's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s just really natural for one to want his or her kids to find happiness, and it&#8217;s hard for people to relate to happiness that&#8217;s outside of their own experience. Yes, ultimately, any good parents wants children to find their own path in the world. But I&#8217;m not surprised that there&#8217;s something challenging about realizing that your kid is going to take a path with a lot of feelings and experiences that you can&#8217;t relate to directly, or share your own experiences with. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s unrealistic to expect people to have unconflicted, perfectly politically aware feelings about such basic emotional issues. I think what matters is that a parent can recognize that it&#8217;s his issue to work through, not the kid&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine once confided that he would rather have sons than daughters because the sons would have a much easier time in the world.  Of course he would love the daughters, if they came, but he would constantly worry about discrimination, rapists, etc.  I suspect that these fathers in the article are coming from a similar place (the blog's interpretation notwithstanding).

That said, I think it's a shame.  Not that one would rather have a worry-free child (as if it were possible), but the very idea that a straight boy is a worry-free child.  No, he may not experience the same obstacles, but left to his own devices he may be the one CREATING obstacles for others.  That's no good.  Straight boys need our attention and vigilance too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine once confided that he would rather have sons than daughters because the sons would have a much easier time in the world.  Of course he would love the daughters, if they came, but he would constantly worry about discrimination, rapists, etc.  I suspect that these fathers in the article are coming from a similar place (the blog&#8217;s interpretation notwithstanding).</p>
<p>That said, I think it&#8217;s a shame.  Not that one would rather have a worry-free child (as if it were possible), but the very idea that a straight boy is a worry-free child.  No, he may not experience the same obstacles, but left to his own devices he may be the one CREATING obstacles for others.  That&#8217;s no good.  Straight boys need our attention and vigilance too.</p>
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		<title>By: Yondalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yondalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a PFLAG mom I respond differently to the question. 

Eight years ago a sixteen year old boy in my Sunday school class told us that he wasn't going to see us anymore because his foster family was breaking up. My husband and I called his social worker and naively announced we wanted to be his parents. She visited us and after about an hour said, "There's something I have to tell you. 'Carl' says I can because you need to know and he doesn't think he can tell you himself." I braced myself for the news that he set fires or tortured animals and she said, in a suddenly-quiet voice, "'Carl' is gay."

My first reaction was relief so strong it was joy. If the big scary secret about Carl was that he was gay, I was fine. No problem. I considered myself a gay-rights activist. I was cool with it. It wouldn't be an issue at all.

I was wrong.

At first he didn't want me to tell anyone, and I found myself living in the closet which SUCKED BEYOND THE ABILITY OF WORDS TO DESCRIBE. After a month I just couldn't take it. I had stopped talking to my mother and my friends. When I ran into people I had to make up conversation. I couldn't talk about what was on my mind. I could not express my worries or hopes. I could not tell people about the exprience of moving from disapproving of homophobic messages to suddenly being PISSED OFF at them. Suddenly it was personal and I had no time to process it and had promised not to talk to anyone about it. I finally got him to agree that I had to be able to talk to my friends.

And then a student at the college where I teach was assaulted. Someone who wasn't a student followed him back from a party, threw him up against a building and started calling him "faggot." Someone called the security and he was not hurt physically, but he was deeply traumatized. And though he did not know that only months before I had become a mother to a gay son, he came to me for support. The year before I would have been outraged. I still was, but the outrage wasn't pure -- it was mixed with fear for someone I loved.

I live half a mile from the campus. Suddenly I did not want to let my sixteen-year-old out after dusk.

He kissed a boyfriend goodbye in a car in front of our house and I had to call the police because the idiot in the house across the street started calling my then 8-year-old a "fag" whenever he went into the yard.

No matter how liberal you are, finding out that your kid is gay means finding out that they will have to deal with prejudice and hate in a way you did not expect. It means that monsters that only threatened other people's kids are now threatening yours.

I tremble as I write this.

I have seen it in so many parents in their first PFLAG meeting. They come confused, telling us that they have gay friends, they really thought that they were totally "okay with homosexuality" but since their kid told them they just can't stop crying and they don't know why. We hand them the tissues and tell them we understand. 

I am afraid I have been too negative here, and I don't want that. I want to tell you about the joys I experience. How much I love the prom photo of our second foster son and his boyfriend. I love the photo for the joy on their faces and for the pride I feel for them for not backing out when they learned they would be the first openly same-sex couple to attend the prom at their school. I have so many stories I want to share. I want to tell you how about how proud I have am of all my kids, about what it means to celebrate their sexuality, their completeness just as I would any other kid.

But that is not the whole story. Seeing Fred Phelps on TV saying that God hates gays is a different experience when it is YOUR kid he is saying should be in hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a PFLAG mom I respond differently to the question. </p>
<p>Eight years ago a sixteen year old boy in my Sunday school class told us that he wasn&#8217;t going to see us anymore because his foster family was breaking up. My husband and I called his social worker and naively announced we wanted to be his parents. She visited us and after about an hour said, &#8220;There&#8217;s something I have to tell you. &#8216;Carl&#8217; says I can because you need to know and he doesn&#8217;t think he can tell you himself.&#8221; I braced myself for the news that he set fires or tortured animals and she said, in a suddenly-quiet voice, &#8220;&#8216;Carl&#8217; is gay.&#8221;</p>
<p>My first reaction was relief so strong it was joy. If the big scary secret about Carl was that he was gay, I was fine. No problem. I considered myself a gay-rights activist. I was cool with it. It wouldn&#8217;t be an issue at all.</p>
<p>I was wrong.</p>
<p>At first he didn&#8217;t want me to tell anyone, and I found myself living in the closet which SUCKED BEYOND THE ABILITY OF WORDS TO DESCRIBE. After a month I just couldn&#8217;t take it. I had stopped talking to my mother and my friends. When I ran into people I had to make up conversation. I couldn&#8217;t talk about what was on my mind. I could not express my worries or hopes. I could not tell people about the exprience of moving from disapproving of homophobic messages to suddenly being PISSED OFF at them. Suddenly it was personal and I had no time to process it and had promised not to talk to anyone about it. I finally got him to agree that I had to be able to talk to my friends.</p>
<p>And then a student at the college where I teach was assaulted. Someone who wasn&#8217;t a student followed him back from a party, threw him up against a building and started calling him &#8220;faggot.&#8221; Someone called the security and he was not hurt physically, but he was deeply traumatized. And though he did not know that only months before I had become a mother to a gay son, he came to me for support. The year before I would have been outraged. I still was, but the outrage wasn&#8217;t pure &#8212; it was mixed with fear for someone I loved.</p>
<p>I live half a mile from the campus. Suddenly I did not want to let my sixteen-year-old out after dusk.</p>
<p>He kissed a boyfriend goodbye in a car in front of our house and I had to call the police because the idiot in the house across the street started calling my then 8-year-old a &#8220;fag&#8221; whenever he went into the yard.</p>
<p>No matter how liberal you are, finding out that your kid is gay means finding out that they will have to deal with prejudice and hate in a way you did not expect. It means that monsters that only threatened other people&#8217;s kids are now threatening yours.</p>
<p>I tremble as I write this.</p>
<p>I have seen it in so many parents in their first PFLAG meeting. They come confused, telling us that they have gay friends, they really thought that they were totally &#8220;okay with homosexuality&#8221; but since their kid told them they just can&#8217;t stop crying and they don&#8217;t know why. We hand them the tissues and tell them we understand. </p>
<p>I am afraid I have been too negative here, and I don&#8217;t want that. I want to tell you about the joys I experience. How much I love the prom photo of our second foster son and his boyfriend. I love the photo for the joy on their faces and for the pride I feel for them for not backing out when they learned they would be the first openly same-sex couple to attend the prom at their school. I have so many stories I want to share. I want to tell you how about how proud I have am of all my kids, about what it means to celebrate their sexuality, their completeness just as I would any other kid.</p>
<p>But that is not the whole story. Seeing Fred Phelps on TV saying that God hates gays is a different experience when it is YOUR kid he is saying should be in hell.</p>
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